Iroquois – People v. State https://www.peoplevstate.com fairly undermining public confidence in the administration of justice Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:24:22 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 “If there are anarchists, if there are weapons, if there is an intention to engage in violence and confrontation, that obviously raises our concerns,” https://www.peoplevstate.com/?p=1441 https://www.peoplevstate.com/?p=1441#comments Sat, 12 Nov 2011 20:17:56 +0000 http://www.peoplevstate.com/?p=1441 Portland police Lt. Robert King said.

The official demonization of “anarchists” by State propagandizers continues on apace, in this instance by an agent of an “agency”-without-principals which intends to violently evict Occupy protesters from Portland parks this weekend. Meanwhile, a real-life “anarch” (leader of leaderlessness), Wendy McElroy, explores, at the Daily Anarchist, what an anarchist system of justice might look like, and in reply to a comment on her post writes:

At some point, you have to do a comparative assessment and choose the system that does it best rather than does it ‘right’…because there is no right. That’s the horror of violence. It sets the natural order so viciously out of whack that it may not be possible to ever return it to ‘right’. My ideal “just system” is 90% prevention so that you don’t have to deal with raped women, traumatized children, men killed for $10 in their wallets. Imagine a free market law enforcement industry that actually existed to prevent violence, that drew its customer salary from the efficiency with which it managed to prevent violence. What a revolution that would be! Oh Brave New World in which I wish to live.

I contributed the following comments (slightly edited) to the discussion in the comments section on Wendy’s post:

I’ve recently been thinking that anarchic justice should depend on “consensus” rather than “consent,” manifested in a common-law, customary-law kind of system. As John Hasnas has argued, such a system properly understood is free market law. Law is rarely based on consent. The thief caught shoplifting or committing more serious crimes presumably will only rarely “consent” to the consequences imposed by society. It should take a consensus of society to impose any restriction on liberty. Punishments, whether of the restitution or retribution / deterrence / incapacitation variety (and I think the limitations of a restitution-only paradigm are seen in the hypothetical murder of a homeless man with no family or friends to whom restitution for his “wrongful death” might be paid), should likewise be no harsher than a consensus of society approves. Consensus is the social embodiment of the Presumption of Innocence, which is fundamental to a free society. Consensus is only practical in small groups, which points the way to a society of Thomas Jefferson’s “ward republics” and to confederation along the lines of the Great Law of Peace of the Iroquois Confederacy, which operated by consensus.

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It all depends on what the conventions are. Right now the conventions that prevail in society are very unlibertarian. Specifically, these conventions hold the text of a Constitution put together by men long dead for less than noble purposes 200 years ago to be binding on the living, and vulgarly and arbitrarily equate democracy with the will of the majority (even a bare majority of 51%). It seems the goal of libertarianism is precisely to change those conventions. Apparently in contrast to many posters here, I think the so-called Rule of Lenity is a convention at the heart of liberty. So is the Presumption of Innocence. So is the notion that “government” derives its just powers from the “consent of the governed,” but instead of speaking of the “consent of the governed” I’d speak of the “consensus of the self-governing.” If 95%+ of the people in a community agree that it is just to use force to prevent or punish murder that’s a pretty good indication that force is in fact justified to prevent or punish murder, and it’s pretty clear that in any event murder isn’t going to be tolerated by that community. On the other hand, if only 75% agree that it is just to use force to prevent or punish eating magic mushrooms that’s a pretty good indication that force is not justified to prevent or punish eating magic mushrooms, and a society which values consensus and applies societally the same presumption against violence that decent people generally apply as individuals will not use force to prevent or punish eating magic mushrooms, even if, hypothetically, 75% think such force would be justified and 95% think eating magic mushrooms is “immoral.”

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Ideally, the so-called traditional common law, which John Hasnas illuminates as depoliticized law, reflects reason and natural law, and its evolution is likewise guided by reason and natural law. Each case is to be decided on the basis of Justice, informed by how such cases have been decided before.

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I urge all anarchists to give Henry George a second look. Georgism represents a principle by which such claims [to land] may rest not only on force but on justice. I’m of the opinion that in an anarchic society “national defense” (i.e., defense not of a nation but defense from nations) will still be necessary, that such defense will necessarily be defense of a territory by those in the territory, and that Georgism would provide the natural means of funding such defense.

Our Enemy, the State, by Albert Jay Nock, whom I personally regard as my number one libertarian muse, is shot through with Georgism.

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The Hasnas article on “The Depoliticization of Law” is also directly on point: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=987829

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Consensus, as I conceive it, is close to or identical with the very essence of anarchism, and of the “libertarian framework.” In the realm of collective action it whittles the use of force down to what Nietzsche called the “song of the necessary,” in the same diatribe in which he called the State the “coldest of all cold monsters.” Unless “we” all agree violence is necessary and justified, “we” don’t use violence.

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I think Justice is most appropriately defined not positively but negatively, as “the absence of crime.” All the things we do to try to fight or deter or somehow provide “satisfaction” for crime are then seen to be “justice” only in a secondary and derivative sense. The criminal defense attorney serves Justice more directly than the prosecutor.

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The consensus of the self-governing . . . https://www.peoplevstate.com/?p=1416 https://www.peoplevstate.com/?p=1416#respond Sun, 06 Nov 2011 22:13:25 +0000 http://www.peoplevstate.com/?p=1416 . . . appears as the vital Idea of which the “consent of the governed” is a pale and passive imitation, and as what distinguishes and divides a People from a State. A few posts ago I quoted Nietzsche:

Where there are still peoples, the state is not understood, and is hated as the evil eye, and as sin against laws and customs.

I hold up as support for Nietzsche’s observation the Great Law of Peace of the Iroquois Confederacy and the attitude of the Iroquois to the authoritarian governments brought over by the British colonists, and recommend Charles Mann’s 2005 op-ed in the New York Times on this subject. In his book 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus, Mann wrote:

Different nations had different numbers of sachems, but the inequality meant little because all decisions had to be unanimous; the Five Nations regarded consensus as a social ideal. As in all consensus-driven bodies, though, members felt intense pressure not to impede progress with frivolous objections.

John Hasnas correctly observes that “law is rarely grounded in consent.” Rather, what Nietzsche refers to as “laws and customs” are ultimately grounded in consensus.

In consensus, also, appears the social embodiment of the Presumption of Innocence.

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“To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous, instead of a compulsory routine, is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds.” https://www.peoplevstate.com/?p=1276 https://www.peoplevstate.com/?p=1276#respond Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:29:41 +0000 http://www.peoplevstate.com/?p=1276 Thus wrote Justice Robert Jackson almost 70 years ago, as quoted in a NYT op-ed by Kent Greenfield which points out that “Constitution Day is probably unconstitutional.”

What is it that I find admirable and worthy of emulation in the Great Law of Peace of the Iroquois Confederacy? Pretty much the same things I find admirable and worthy of emulation in Aldous Huxley’s vision of a just society:

If I were now to rewrite the book [Brave New World], I would offer the Savage a third alternative. Between the Utopian and primitive horns of his dilemma would lie the possibility of sanity… In this community economics would be decentralist and Henry-Georgian, politics Kropotkinesque and co-operative. Science and technology would be used as though, like the Sabbath, they had been made for man, not (as at present and still more so in the Brave New World) as though man were to be adapted and enslaved to them. Religion would be the conscious and intelligent pursuit of man’s Final End, the unitive knowledge of the immanent Tao or Logos, the transcendent Godhead or Brahman. And the prevailing philosophy of life would be a kind of Higher Utilitarianism, in which the Greatest Happiness principle would be secondary to the Final End principle – the first question to be asked and answered in every contingency of life being: “How will this thought or action contribute to, or interfere with, the achievement, by me and the greatest possible number of other individuals, of man’s Final End?”

See also the following letters written by Thomas Jefferson:

The Earth Belongs to the Living (1789)

“A Real Christian” (1816)

The Ward System (1816)

The Test of Republicanism (1816)

Reform of the Virginia Constitution (1816)

“I Too Am An Epicurean” (1819)

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The Great Law of Peace of the Iroquois Confederacy https://www.peoplevstate.com/?p=1274 https://www.peoplevstate.com/?p=1274#comments Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:21:23 +0000 http://www.peoplevstate.com/?p=1274 Via Wikipedia, I’ve been reading Exemplar of Liberty: Native America and the Evolution of Democracy, by Donald Grinde and Bruce Johansen. The thesis of the book is that the Founders’ contact with Native Americans and their forms of government inspired Revolutionary fervor and ultimately influenced the U.S. Constitution. Personally, I believe, with Albert Jay Nock, that, rhetoric aside, subsequent history (including the genocide of Native Americans) demonstrates that the prospects for Old World-style exploitation in the New World, and the wresting of the mechanisms for such exploitation from British hands into American hands, was a far greater motivator for the Founders and the U.S. Constitution than the libertarian example of their indigenous neighbors. Nevertheless, the Native American exemplar remains as a reminder of what America could have been, and as an indictment of what America has become.

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