Comments on: Establishment Clause Round-Up

By: Humble Truth

Humble Truth — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:19:20 +0000

Since no additional material has been provided in which to further our conversation, I will wish you well, sir, in your faith and your career.

“The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.”
— Benjamin Franklin

By: John Kindley

John Kindley — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:08:24 +0000

Let me also add that a main point of the latter part of my post, in case you missed it, is that I don’t know whether Jesus rose from the dead and I don’t think believing he did is essential to “salvation” anyway. I “believe” he rose from the dead in the sense that I’m more persuaded that he did than I am that he didn’t, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say I’m persuaded beyond a reasonable doubt.

By: John Kindley

John Kindley — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:53:02 +0000

As I suggested in my original post, a “faith” or a “belief” not founded on reason or evidence is, in my estimation, not just “fine.” It’s ridiculous and wrong. (Granted, “faith” is defined by some in a way I think is slippery and irrational.) I suggest you follow the link in my post associated with the proposition you found so amazing, or look up any standard work of Christian apologetics. The difficulty you’re having understanding this proposition suggests that you yourself don’t really know what you’re talking about.

By: Humble Truth

Humble Truth — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:13:34 +0000

Disingenuity, no. Amazement, yes.

There is an profound difference between “faith” and “preponderance of evidence”.

While you may have studied diligently to acquire your law degree, I would question what you have been taught as to what qualifies as evidence. My presupposition too, is that you have not invested even fractionally in religious studies.

To have faith is fine. To say there is evidence for your faith is a slippery slope indeed.

By: John Kindley

John Kindley — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:36:50 +0000

As you may know, with the ascension of Sotomayor 6 out of the 9 U.S. Supreme Court Justices are Catholic, who profess believing not only that Jesus rose from the dead but a lot more. While you might think this is indicative of something wrong with our legal system, it’s disingenuous of you to feign “amazement” that a lowly lawyer might believe what a majority of the SCOTUS and probably a majority of the U.S. population believes.

By: Humble Truth

Humble Truth — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:45:00 +0000

So … you are a lawyer … practicing law … in courtrooms … and you believe there is a “preponderance of the historical evidence” for Jesus – including rising from the dead?

Amazing.

And we sometimes wonder what is wrong with our legal system, don’t we?